In this episode, we discuss the origins of redlining with Rasul Mowatt, PhD. Rasul recently released a book entitled "Geographies of Threat: The State and the City Between Us" that uncovers colonial-era maps prior to the history of redlining in the United States that demonstrate similar practices. More importantly, we discuss the political nature of map-making. Instead of viewing map-making as a neutral task, we discuss the nature of conquest that the map-making of the western world came to represent. Rasul argues that the conquering and administration of space are essential to the making of the state. Redlining is an expression of this history.