Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor of international law. He's also the author of many books including, most recently, United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law.
Interviewer: And you're on record doing that. You've done so many amazing things. I know. When I asked you to talk about how you know all this, you just moved on and accepted, but your knowledge is just incredible. I mean, it's amazing bill to pick your brain. We got two minutes to break. What subjects do you want to go to next?
Dr. Boyle: Well, we can move on to Ukraine. If you want to. Well, if we don't stop Biden, we're going to have direct war with Russia. Right now there is an indirect war, a de facto state of war between the United States and Russia. Even Foreign Minister Lavrov had said that we were going to have to stop the Bidenites before they continue up this ladder of escalation. You have the list there of the Herman Kahn ladder of escalation. And if you skip down just a little bit, you'll see we're at stage 20. The no nuclear use threshold. We're right there. Peaceful worldwide embargo. Right. That's exactly what we have today against the Russian Federation. Biden and the European Union member states are waging economic warfare against the Russian Federation. We, in my opinion, I think we're one step below the nuclear threshold there as identified by Herman Kahn.
Interviewer: That’s what you said two months ago on the shots with Lavrov said yesterday, he said, we're entering the nuclear threshold. This needs to stop now.
Dr. Boyle: Right, it has to stop now. And yet you will see the Bidenites refused, adamantly refused to negotiate. Just the other day Putin said he will negotiate. Lavrov once again said they will negotiate, the Bidenites refuse, and of course Zelensky refuses, but he's our puppet.
Interviewer: Let's talk about what comes next with Dr. Francis Boyle.
We're talking to Dr. Francis A. Boyle right now, who wrote to us biological chemical weapons laws, was a top U.N. war crimes prosecutor and more. And who's the most accurate person predicting almost three years ago, starting in January of 2020 what was going to unfold and happen. So we're continuing on. We hit the break with Russia and this escalation ladder, a generalized scenario the RAND Corporation and the Pentagon were at point 20 point, what 44 means and where this huge escalation is going and what the Neocons and the crazy Democrats think they're doing, please continue.
Dr. Boyle: Well again, we saw this massive propaganda campaign by the Bidenites to bring Zelensky over here and try to get support for the American people and Congress for this existentially dangerous war against Russia. That is going on right now. You know, I teach the laws of war. And I would say right now, with Russia, we are in a de facto state of war with Russia. It is not yet a de jure state of war with Russia, but it's certainly de facto. And again, Foreign Minister Lavrov, who's a very experienced, consummate diplomat has said the same thing here. So it's extremely dangerous. Anything could set this off and then rather than de-escalate the situation Biden and the Democrats, brings Zelensky over here to escalate.
Interviewer: Well, this is like imagine if Kennedy vacationed in the U.S. Virgin Islands for two weeks during the Cuban Missile Crisis. He'd be impeached. Should we move as you push four months ago, to impeach Biden immediately for war crimes?
Dr. Boyle: Well, yes, that's true. But let's compare this to the Cuban missile crisis because I think it's very instructive that, for Russia, this is even more dangerous than the Cuban Missile Crisis in reverse. Because in our case, Cuba was 90 miles south of Florida. This is right on their borders. And the second thing I think we need to consider is that Biden is no JFK. Whatever you think of JFK, he volunteered for combat during World War II and performed heroically, courageously and was seriously injured. Well, Biden's done nothing with his career. But been on the payroll up there in Delaware, of Wall Street. And the banksters and everyone else who does their corporate headquarters in Delaware, because that's the most favorable state…
Interviewer: Kennedy engaged a Japanese destroyer with a small patrol boat, got his back broken and I mean, the whole story of very heroic, and then meanwhile, if we go up this chain and what's happening, it's very apocalyptic to have Biden vacationing, all this is going on.
Dr. Boyle: Right. And, you know, Kennedy tried to de-escalate, though most of his advisors on the executive committee, except for Adlai Stevenson here, in the state of Illinois and Undersecretary of State George Ball a friend of mine tried to restrain everyone else on the executive committee from invading Cuba that would have set off a nuclear war.
Interviewer: General Curtis LeMay. All of them wanted to go to full war.
Dr. Boyle: That's correct. It would very quickly become a nuclear war. Yes. Well, who's the restraint on Biden? Indeed, who's really home there with Biden? I regret to say, I think Biden is in the advanced stages of Alzheimer's dementia.
Interviewer: Let’s go up this ladder here because you bring this up now with the Russians are bringing up the ladder. So you've got 1 up to 20 peaceful in quotes worldwide embargo blockade. Then we move to local nuclear war which ladder […] are saying is next, the declaration of limited nuclear war. And then we've got local nuclear war military, unusual, provocative and significant countermeasures, evacuation, 26: demonstration of attack on zone of interior. Well, that we've kind of skipped ahead with all these cruise missile attacks inside Russia. How big a provocation is that the last month, just like they've kind of skipped ahead here to internal provocations in Russia.
Dr. Boyle: Well, again, yes, it does appear they're trying to provoke Russia into more substantial military action against them. We have to understand whatever the Ukrainian military is doing today, has been green-lighted by the Pentagon and the Biden administration. And all these attacks into Russia itself rely on U.S. GPS coordination. So the Russians know this. They've even said this, that basically it's the Americans using the Ukrainians to engage in direct attacks against Russia, and the Bidenites , if you read the news media, have made it clear that they don't believe that the Russians are serious about any of their red lines. And so they're going to keep pushing up this ladder of escalation, which makes it extremely existentially dangerous.
Interviewer: So why would the Pentagon and NATO openly be running attacks coordinating them and trying to escalate Russia to a full military commitment?
Dr. Boyle: The Pentagon believes we have escalation dominance at every rung of that ladder that we can control and dominate.
Interviewer: They're pushing and tricking the Russians into building a Napoleon invading Russia, that route in reverse.
Dr. Boyle: Well, again, it's the lessons learned from the Cuban Missile Crisis, which I think were the wrong lessons. But that's by Thomas Schelling of Harvard ahead of me in the government department. His Arms and Influence, talked about Compellence namely, during the Cuban Missile Crisis, we had escalation dominance, all up that ladder of escalation and therefore caused th is escalation dominance at every stage. Eventually, we compelled Khrushchev to back down.
Interviewer: But let's look at those maps. If we totally destroy Russia, we just lose half our cities. It's a Pyrrhic victory. So, in their ladder of dominance, they win but America gets destroyed, that is very sick.
Dr. Boyle: Well, I think they believe they can get the Russians to back down without coming to that, but that again, when Khrushchev looked at the ICBM balance during the Cuban Missile Crisis, he concluded there was no way we could prevail here. And he backed down. So that's, I believe the way the Pentagon is looking at now, from the perspective of the Kahn ladder of escalation. Their doctrine of escalation dominance, and Schelling’s game theory.
Interviewer: This is next level Russian roulette with the whole world.
Dr. Boyle: That's the way I see it. Yeah. So remember, at the very height of the Cuban Missile Crisis, the CIA sent up a U2 over there to overfly the Soviet Union in order to provoke them. The Soviet shot it down, and instead of overreacting, Kennedy continued with his back channel diplomacy with Khrushchev through his brother Bobby and Ambassador Dobrynin, saying “there's always some son of a bitch down the line who doesn't get the word.” So in this game of Russian Roulette, something can always go wrong. Someone does not get the word.
Interviewer: Let's talk about how to end this peacefully. […] We look at this escalation ladder that we know the Pentagon still uses. We know the RAND Corporation developed and that now has been quoted in the news one separate world talked about it. We move up here from 1 to 20 where we're at right now, they're skipping ahead with some of the attacks inside Russia 26. We move up into a formal declaration of general war. You're basically doing that now with Zelensky visiting, slow motion counter, property war, slow motion counter force war, constrained force reduction salvo, constrain disarming attack. Oh, we just got to attack the stopper, offensive counter force with evidence attack, unmodified, counter force attack, and now the really bad ones. Slow motion. And it goes on with augmenting disarming attacks, civilian devastation attack, they hit our cities, some other kinds of control, general war, spasm of intense war we just nuke everything they nuke everything and it just fire everything, total insanity, kind of end of the world as we know it. Most estimates even say a limited nuclear war will cause a breakdown of civilization and kill billions. A total nuclear war I think probably 7 billion. There'll be a billion people left. Maybe. Dr. Boyle, your comments on this ladder of escalation.
Dr. Boyle: that's the Pentagon's war plan for Ukraine. Right now as we speak. I believe that's their draft war plan. And that's what they plan to do there at the Pentagon, and the Bidenites will sign off on it. Moving up those stages of escalation. Pursuant to their theory of escalation, dominance, that they have escalation dominance until the Russians back down.
Interviewer: Explain escalation dominance for folks that haven't studied this. In layman's terms, they believe every step of the escalation “the US will be in charge of controlling it, even though it'll be totally disruptive to both sides. They believe they're going to come out in the end on top, which is what Dr. Strangelove is all about, based on some real events and some real battle plans of where the Pentagon and Curtis LeMay tried to push a nuclear war to Kennedy saying it'll be survivable. Yeah, we'll lose 30-40 million Americans, but we'll win in the end. And he said, I'm not a mass murderer.
Dr. Boyle: you're basically right. Again, I believe pursuant to their doctrine of escalation dominance, which goes back to Tom Shelling ahead of me at Harvard, that they believe they control every rung of that ladder of escalation you see there.. And that they believe that at some point, the Russians will back down and we will prevail.
Interviewer: What if the Russians jump ahead, Russians don't follow the ladder?
Dr. Boyle: They very well might not, I really don't know except my reading of the situation is that President Putin, and not to defend Putin at all, I've been up against Putin too, he's very cautious and moves one step at a time throughout this entire crisis, starting with the overthrow of the democratically elected Government of Ukraine by Obama and Biden. Remember, Obama put Biden in charge of the entire Ukraine project and he has been in charge of it since then.
Interviewer: How do we stop this?
Dr. Boyle: Well, I think what we have to do is to go back to the pledge that Jim Baker gave to all Soviet commissar Gorbachev, namely that in return for Gorbachev agreeing to the reunification of Germany, NATO would not move even one inch to the east. That pledge was binding as a matter of international law, even though it wasn't in writing and to his credit, Bush Senior adhere to that pledge. It was then Clinton and the Democrats who came into power and wantonly violated that pledge. And let me point out here, that the foreign policy Guru for the Democratic Party has been Zbigniew Brzezinski since the days of Jimmy Carter, and indeed the Jimmy Carter campaign, when he was head of the Trilateral Commission. They're paid for by David Rockefeller, and they coopted Carter into the presidency. Then Bush Jr. under the influence of his Neocons, publicly stated they wanted Ukraine and Georgia to join NATO. This precipitated the war by Georgia, against Russian peacekeepers and South Ossetia. And then the current crisis in Ukraine. Victoria Nuland the infamous role that she played over there in promoting the coup d'etat and now she is Biden's number three official in the State Department. So, if you want proof that the Neocons are in charge of what Biden's doing, Newland is in charge of it.
Interviewer: Now, let me ask you this. Why are we seeing the Pope come out in the last six months three times? Even Kissinger three times pleading last week saying we need a peace deal now, this leads to nuclear war, this is out of control stop it. When even Kissinger who was like the ombudsman of their New World Order is saying stop, is that some faint? Does he really mean that or why is he saying that?
Dr. Boyle: Again, I think it's because he has the same sources that I do and realizes how existentially dangerous it is. But to get back to how to end it that the United States government already promised that Ukraine would not join NATO, and that Ukraine would remain neutral…
Interviewer: And then they sent Kamala Harris there two months ago to say oh, they are going to join, which is another provocation.
Dr. Boyle: Of course, sure. That's why Zelensky came all the way over here. And they brought Zelensky over here and gave him Congress and all the mainstream news media to promote further escalation up that ladder. But to get back to my point, it seems to me looking at the situation, that if the United States government were to agree that Ukraine would not join NATO, and could remain neutral…
Interviewer: That was the only thing he asked for before he invaded.
Dr. Boyle: You're right and as a matter of fact, I've read the two treaties that Russia tendered to the Biden administration and to NATO. And the core obligation they wanted was a commitment in writing, unlike this verbal commitment given to Gorbachev, that Ukraine would not join NATO. And yet all the public sources indicate that the Bidenites refused, absolutely refused to negotiate.
Interviewer: A lot of mainline political analysts say great danger nuclear war forever. I mean, what is your prognosis for the short and midterm right now?
Dr. Boyle: Well, that's why I drafted my bill of impeachment against Biden. Right now it is in circulation on Capitol Hill, among the Republican House Freedom Caucus. One Congressman I had a 30-minute discussion with, he agreed fully with my analysis of the situation, including the Kahn ladder of escalation, and so he was inclined to introduce my bill of impeachment into Congress. So, we'll have to see what happens after January 3. But I think if my bill and there'll be other bills of impeachment introduced against Biden, Biden has hired an entire team of lawyers to deal with these bills of impeachment. But if my bill is introduced, and passed, I believe that will paralyze the Biden administration. They'll be dead in the water.
Interviewer: Exactly. And Republicans could win major points and save the world, but they won't because they're being financed by the same corporations that think they can survive a nuclear war. This is just total madness, because let's not blame it all on the Democrats. No, we’re not. The Republicans are just going along with this because they're bought off too.
Dr. Boyle: Well, there were large numbers of Republicans in political independence, there were large numbers of Republicans who did not show up for Zelensky…
Interviewer: No, no, no, I agree that Republicans are better the Democrats. I'm just saying some of the Republican leadership's going along with this because they could get the impeachment going right now, they have the House. And you know, Jim Jordan, saying, oh, we're thinking about hearings on big tech censorship. You're thinking about it.
Dr. Boyle: I mean, this is long beyond the stage of thinking about anything. We have to have the House pass a bill of impeachment. Send it right away to the Senate for trial…
Interviewer: Two minute break, come back and finish up and closing comments. We'll talk about your books.
I want him to finish up with that in the last five minutes. The Pentagon is now directly threatening to assassinate with the capitation attacks inside Moscow or other areas saying that would lead to open war. We know that. We've had two US senators, Democrats or Republicans calling for this. Just mad level escalations. Can you speak to that in closing, Dr. Boyle and then to your book dealing with the medical tyranny.
Dr. Boyle: Sure, calling for the assassination of the head of a state is an international crime. So of course, the Russians take this very seriously and if an attempt were to be made by our Ukrainian proxies, using GPS satellite guidance by us, the game would be over at that point.
Interviewer: And when Lindsey Graham and a bunch of have been making threats publicly, what do you make of lateral saying the Pentagon is openly telling them you’d better back off we're getting directives to kill Putin. I mean, this just sounds totally insane.
Dr. Boyle: Right, we're moving up that ladder of escalation. Sure. I mean, Lindsey Graham speaks for himself. I mean, we all know he's a joke and a fraud so fine.
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