Saturday, November 16, 2024

Jake Tapper's dead wrong

CNN is about to have huge layoffs.  I would hope that Jake Tapper would not be among those laid off.  But he makes it really hard to defend him when he's offering the same insipid take as FOX "NEWS."  This is from Elizabeth Preza's report at RAW STORY:


CNN’s Jake Tapper on Friday shamed a Democratic election board official in Pennsylvania after she voted to willingly violate a Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling regarding undated and misdated ballots in Bucks County, PA.

Bucks County chairman Robert Harviie Jr. and commissioner Diane Marseglia on Tuesday voted against a third colleague to count ballots that were misdated or undated, in defiance of a Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling that considered undated ballots “invalid as a matter of law,” Bucks County Courier Times reports.

Pennsylvania is in the middle of an automatic recount for the U.S. Senate seat currently held by Bob Casey. The Associated Press has called the race for Republican businessman Dave McCormick, making it one of at least three Senate seats the GOP flipped in 2024. CNN has yet to call the race.

[. . .]

“When you vote provisional in PA, you need to sign the ballot twice,” Cohen explained. “They said, on this board, if it only has one signature, they will allow it. That's in defiance of what the state Supreme Court said before the election.  You're really not supposed to defy the Supreme Court, and some of the comments from one of the democratic commissioners have gone absolutely viral on social media for the pretty strong stand that she took.”


I believe Jake Tapper shamed himself.


I don't care what the third board commissioner said on social media.


I do care that some of the votes in question  are provisional ballots.  I do care that some not being counted are not a in a provisional ballot envelope.


Now we'll come back to that.


But a judicial finding?  No, it doesn't matter.  It took place before the ballot counting and it doesn't appear to be in line -- that judgement, check state law in Pennsylvania -- with the duties as outlined for the board.


Reality: In every state, boards have to determine what to do with a ballot that didn't follow the rules completely.  Was the voter not aware, not informed, what's the problem?


To count the votes, for example, in Texas, a vote for George H.W Bush -- written in on a ballot -- would count as a vote for Trump because Bush was a Republican and Trump was the Republican nominee. And I thought we all learned, as a nation, about intent in voting during the Florida recounts -- which, true got stopped before they were completed in 2000.


The board's job is to determine intent of votes.  That is their job to protect citizen's voting rights.


Let's deal with unmarked ballots -- mailed in.  I  believe the county, in 2000, understood Florida was counting all ballots that were mailed in -- even those without a postmark that arrived after election day.  The defense offered for that was it could have been a mistake by someone serving overseas.  


Then we had the hanging chads issue, does anyone remember that.


What Florida was doing -- Republicans and Democrats on boards across the state -- was attempting to determine intent.

Now let's deal with provisional ballots which seem to be the big hang up in the recount.

Oh, the ballot needed the person to sign twice!!!!


Sounds like a poll worker issue.


I don't know about you, but I wouldn't stand in any line to vote, be told I wasn't on the roll but I could have a provision ballot that, if it was later determined I was registered, would count and then fill that ballot out and intentionally not sign a second time.


Was the voter upset -- being told I wasn't registered to vote would upset me.  


Especially when I was registered.  I get that FOX "NEWS" lies all the time, but Jake Tapper does have a mind so why can't he use it.


Anyone that filled out a provisional ballot was told they weren't showing up on the voter roll.  And anyone who filled out a provisional ballot and then turned out not to be on the voter rolls?  No one's trying to count that vote.  They're not registered voter, their provisional ballot does not count.


The people whose provisional ballots we're speaking of?  They were registered voters.

So one of the two things happened -- or a merger of both.  The poll worker did not explain how to fill out the provisional ballot in full or the voter was so upset that they didn't hear everything.


And don't you dare say the voter should have read the directions.


If I'm upset like that?  My vision goes.  So don't you push this off on the voter.


The voter was registered but did not show up on the rolls.  That's not their fault.


And, again, I would've been upset if I were told that.  (I voted by mail.)  


The job is to determine the voters intent.  You're looking at a provision ballot where the voter signed it once and filled out the choices for their vote.  


The intent is clear.


B-b-b-but no second signature!


You don't disenfranchise a voter.  There was already an attempt to disenfranchise them when they were told that they weren't registered.  Turns out, they were registered or the ballots wouldn't be an issue now, they'd just be trashed.


Jake Tapper and CNN's legal 'expert' are idiots on this issue.  Every state exams 'spoiled' ballots to determine if they can be saved and a voter's vote counted.  A voter signing only once on a ballot they were handed by a poll worker that apparently requires two signatures -- why in the world? -- is not reason to toss the votes aside.


It is a valid vote.


What forms do we sign twice, to begin with?  HIPAA?  We sign that once.  That's our medical confidentiality document and we only sign it once.  


You're telling a voter that they are not registered and doing so at a time when both Democrats and Republicans are in fear of a stolen election.  


You're that voter for Trump who is thinking, "They told me they were going to steal it!"  Or you're a Democrat thinking it's a Trump dirty trick.


It's neither.  It's a county clerk not doing -- or else failing at -- their job.


And the voter is now worried that their vote won't be counted so even if this new-to-them provisional ballot is being explained properly (a big if), there's every reason in the world for this voter to be distracted and miss the instruction to put their signature on the same ballot twice.


I honestly don't care who wins this seat.  Sorry.  I honestly also think that counting these ballots would help the Republican candidate.  I think a Trump voter -- especially an older voter -- would be even more outraged that they weren't on the roll due to the belief of some (the mistaken belief) that the 2020 election was stolen.


But it doesn't matter who they voted for.


What matters is that they took the time to go down in person, stand in line and vote.


Their vote has to be counted.


It is not their fault that their county clerk is such an idiot that their names were left off the registration lists.  And you can't prove -- because no one recorded it -- that the instructions on how to vote on a provisional ballot were provided in a 100% accurate way or that the poll worker explaining it*, explained it in a way that was understood.


*?  I am sure a case or two -- maybe all of them -- resulted from a poll worker saying, "The instructions are right there."  No, that's not how it works -- especially for anyone with vision issues.


As for the provisional ballots without provisional envelopes?  That's 100% a poll worker issue.  If the ballot didn't have an envelope when the ballot was completed in person, the poll worker should have noted that and provided the voter with a new envelope before the voter left.  (Most likely, a poll worker didn't understand the ballots were supposed to go into an envelope.)  As with the other issues above, this is no reason not to count the vote of an American citizen.


And you do not deny a valid ballot and "Only one signature!" does not make it an invalid ballot or lacking a paper envelope to be in does not make it an invalid ballot.  You want to have special rules for provisional ballots?  You educate the public on them first and you do that via PSAs for months ahead of an election.


I don't think a court would actually side against counting the provisional ballots in the above situations.  The verdict being noted was too broad and it's also in conflict with state law.  Maybe next time, Jake, get a legal expert on voting from the actual state the issue arose in.  Every state is different.  


This is beyond stupid and, Jake Tapper, you are embarrassing yourself by aping FOX "NEWS."  The point of elections is to get citizens to vote, not to find excuses so that their votes don't count.


We need smarter people in the media.  Jake can take comfort in the fact that he's not bats**t crazy (and racist) like Katrina vanden Heuverl who has people trying to figure out her endorsement of Tulsi Gabbard.  What a crazy racist Katrina is.  She really needs to sell her part of THE NATION and move to another outlet where her Russia cheerleading can be appreciated -- you know, move to Moscow.  Never forget that racist worked overtime to have THE NATION discredit Kamala on a daily basis because racist Katrina didn't want a Black woman to be president.  Racist Katrina preferred that Donald Trump get a second term.


I'm not reading her Tweets.  I'm off Twitter but those of you who are note that she's an apologist for Donald's cabinet pieces and shreiking like Glynneth Greenwald's twin.  It's because she's gone over the sewer and she's not coming back to The Five and Dime Ever Again Ever Again.  She's nuts.  And she's ugly which is why she's alone.  Usually a plain faced woman with her money would have landed a man by now.  Not ugly Katrina.  That noes.  It really needed to be broken and set decades ago.  It is awful.  In a profile, she looks like Toucan Sam.  


Speaking of looks, Ava is very suspicious of THE BITCHUATION ROOM.  That's all it takes for me.  That show is now blocked.  We're done with it and will not ever again post a video from it.


You whore and you  lie, we don't have time for you.  Anglo White Francie wants to bring on a 'Latina' who blames the Democrats for Latinos voting for Trump.  Latinos, 'Latina' tells us, know the Democrats have done nothing for immigration -- she means pro-immigration.  She's a liar and Francie pants can rot and hell for platforming that inane conversation.  As one Black outlet after another has amply demonstrated -- and so has MEDIAS TOUCH -- no, just no.  That's not why Latino men went from Trump.  You're a damn liar and I wish Francie pants had displayed the 'Latina''s name -- Ava didn't recognize her.  They think they and their immediate circle are safe.


It's the same belief that fuels the Lotto.  You think you're going to win -- against all the odds. You think you're going to win.  And male Latinos voted for Trump not because Dems weren't pro-immigration but because they don't think his plans will effect them.


And there's another reason and that's why we're done now with Francie Pants. 


The economy did a play a part in this.  But the part it largely played was as an excuse for racism.  This was an election where American wanted to back White supremacy.


And I'm getting damn tired of White outlets like Francie Pants' outlet that refuse to acknowledge that.


The 'vacation' many of us are taking from the Democratic Party after being their free labor for years and years and decades?  



People on the left -- White people especially -- are acting like that's a non-story.  They refuse to acknowledge the pain that they created.  They refuse to acknowledge what we saw in real time: That no Black woman was ever going to be good enough for a great many on the left.


They can't reflect, they can't analyze.  Every attempt that they make has them running from the reality of racism on their own part. 

We, our country, was involved in the Iraq War -- our country started it.  In 2004, it was Bully Boy Bush against John Kerry and THE NATION, IN THESE TIMES, DEMOCRACY NOW!, THE PROGRESSIVE, et al did everything they could to elect John Kerry.


This would be the same John Kerry who had a sketchy Iraq plan and who infamously insisted that he voted for the (illegal) war before he voted against it.


But they rallied behind him.  These same outlets, this fall, attacked Kamala on a daily basis.  


We saw it.  We saw how the American left embraced White supremacy to defeat Kamala.


There is no logic defense for what they did.  There is no world in which we exist where it was okay to attack the Democratic Party candidate when Donald Trump was the opponent.


But a Black woman was too threatening to elements of the left -- even more than a madmen who will deport everyone he can, who will turn Gaza into a parking lot, who will s**t on the Constitution and destroy democracy.


So Francie Pants, no.  Just no.  


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Friday, November 15, 2024.  Donald Trump wants to make America a s**thole country, as many do the right thing and leave Twitter note that racist Katrina vanden Heuvel feels perfectly at home there, Tulsi Gabbard is a threat to national security, and much more.

Trashy Garbage aka Tulsi Gabbard.  Donald Trump wants to make her the Director of National Intelligence.  Let's note this:



Catholics Against Cults

As Catholics in THE COMMON ILLS community, we lodge a strong objection to the notion that two term Congress woman Tulsi Gabbard is qualified to be the next Director of National Intelligence.

We are troubled by her reported appearance on a governmental watch list and that this resulted from members of the National Guard complaining about her priorities being something other than the United States.

We are troubled by her conspiracy theories that can be found all over her Twitter feed.  

We are troubled by her cozying up to Bashar al-Assad, the butcher of Syria.  She met face-to-face with him when he was designated as an enemy of the United States.  That would concern us less if she were an individual member of Congress currently.  But someone who wants to be the Director of National Intelligence is not someone who should be making her own self-determined 'diplomatic' missions with someone the US is at war with. 



The former congresswoman has also been dogged by her long-standing ties to the Science of Identity Foundation and its founder, Chris Butler. The Science of Identity Foundation is an offshoot of Hare Krishna that former members have described as a cult.

Within minutes of the announcement of Gabbard’s nomination, national media outlets like CNN predicted that her selection and the choice of Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz to be U.S. attorney general would set up major confirmation fights.

The position Trump nominated her for, director of national intelligence, requires Senate confirmation. The director leads the U.S. intelligence community, which oversees and directs implementation of the National Intelligence Program.


There are more than enough problems with Tulsi Gabbard.  But when Donald I'm A Christian Trump thinks he can get away with installing a member of a cult as our Director of National Intelligence, we object.  And we think many Christians would join us in that objection.  We realize, as well, that the cult objects to Islam and would argue that if the Jill Stein Freaks could buy a clue, even people in Hamtramck and Deerfield would object to the nomination as well (though we are aware that this is a group of people who struggle to ever call Donald Trump out).  

Of the man who 'guides' Tulsi, WIKIPEDIA notes:


Chris Butler, son of a communist anti-war activist, had entered the spiritual counterculture in 1960s, while enrolled at University of Hawaiʻi.[1][2] Soon, he joined the burgeoning Hare-Krishna movement as a guru, taking the name Sai Young, and amassed a group of disciples.[1]

However, after being publicly denounced by Swami Prabhupada, the leading exponent of the movement in U.S.A, Butler initiated under Prabhupada himself, joined the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON), and received the name Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa.[3][2][4] But in a few years, their relationship turned sour as he deviated from ISKCON's ways, choosing to marry and allowing his disciples to keep their heads unshaved.[3][2] After the death of Prabhupada in 1977, Butler broke away from ISKCON and founded SIF, then known as the Hari Nama (lit. Holy Name) Society.[5] Simultaneously, he began to deemphasize ISKCON's rigid adherence to Vaishnava texts and promoted a range of eclectic views.[1][3]

In 1976, SIF's disciples launched a new political party — called the Independents for Godly Government — presenting themselves as a "multifaith coalition of conservative-minded reformers", and ran for the House of Representatives and Mayoral elections; the candidates did not disclose their links with SIF and explicitly claimed to have no affiliation with any religious organization including the Hare Krishna faith.[1] The party was funded by a variety of businesses, including two local newspapers and a health-food store chain, run by the disciples themselves.[6]

In the 1980s, he ran a late-night television show called "Chris Butler Speaks" on Channel 13.[7] Since the 90s, Butler has kept a low profile, rarely speaking in public; in 2017, The New Yorker reported that Butler presents himself less as a Hare Krishna dissident and more as a member of a worldwide Vaishnava movement.[1] Butler's wife Wai Lana has received acclaim for popularizing yoga through the Wai Lana Yoga show; in 2016, she was conferred with the Padma Shri award by the Government of India.[8]




But scratch beneath the surface and another mysterious backstory emerges — Gabbard and hubby Williams' ties to a shady Hindu offshoot cult that's for decades sought a back door into mainstream politics.


Critics have branded the secretive group, called the Science of Identity Foundation (SIF), as intolerant of women, gays, and Muslims, while treating its reclusive leader Chris Butler as some kind of all-powerful deity.

Murky ties to Butler's group, which straddles Hawaii and New Zealand, could well complicate Gabbard's bid to secure congressional backing for a senior cabinet-level post as Trump's top advisor for his key decisions on national security.

Williams, a part-Māori, part-Samoan filmmaker and surfer from Auckland, New Zealand, reportedly met Gabbard, a former Army officer, during her first run for Congress in 2012, when he volunteered to shoot her campaign ads.

That year, Gabbard made history by becoming the first American Samoan and practicing Hindu in Congress.

The pair bonded over their shared love of watersports and started dating about 18 months later.


But most importantly:


In a damning tell-all interview with The Independent in 2022, Gabbard's aunt, Dr Caroline Sinavaiana Gabbard, lifted the lid on what insiders call a homophobic, often anti-Islamic and misogynist cult.

She told the publication that her niece's career is all about the pursuit of power, and her bid for the presidency in 2020 was the culmination of four decades of Butler's efforts to seek political influence.

'Once again I find my niece's apparent penchant for parroting extremist toadies such as Tucker Carlson and vile strongmen such as Vladimir Putin, to be problematic and deeply troubling,' said the retired University of Hawaii professor.

'​It gives me no pleasure to ​note that Tulsi's single governing principle seems to be expedience, which is in effect no principle at all.'



Tulsi Gabbard is free to belong in a cult.  But her international cult membership should disqualify her from serving as the Director of National Intelligence.  And when you add everything up, she does not belong anywhere near US government intelligence.


-- Kat, Trina and Mike




   Paul Eaton, a retired U.S. Army major general and a senior adviser to VoteVets, said in a statement that "putting Tulsi Gabbard in charge of our intelligence, which keeps Americans safe here and abroad, is dangerous and reckless. In Gabbard, Trump has a complete and total loyalist who will use and wield our intelligence to Trump's benefit, not to protect America and our Constitution."

"In combination with many of Trump's other appointments and nominations, we see a picture coming together of an administration made up of unqualified, marginal zealots who will constantly be trying to please their leader rather than fulfill their oath to put the Constitution and the safety of the American people above the president's ego," he added. "Many warned that Trump would dispense of all guardrails in a second term, so every whim of his would be carried out without question or protest. We are now seeing exactly what that looks like." 


All of Trump's choices are lousy but there's no one lousier than Tulsi.  

And if you don't grasp that, you may be to young to remember 9/11.

Donald Trump wants this raging incompetent who is also a security risk to be the DNI.  That post was created after the US government determined intelligence failures led to 9/11.


Most of us pray never again to a terrorist attack on US soil like 9/11; however, a number of Americans who are terrorist experts maintain such an attack is highly likely.

If you think the outrage over Tulsi's mere nomination is big and wide -- and it is -- and for good reason -- imagine another 9/11 under her watch.  And it won't just be her that the American people will be out for, it will be Trump as well, the idiot so stupid to nominate her in the first place.

Donald Trump, with his nominations, is demonstrating that the last thing he is interested in is making American anything but a s**thole country.  For Health and Human Services, for example, he wants to install the non-medical nut job Robert Kennedy Junior who will wreck healthcare because he's a nut job.  





He wants a man the House Ethics Committee believes assaulted a 17-year-old woman to be Attorney General (Matt Gaetz).



As for the awful Secretary of Defense nominee, let's just include ZETEO.

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But frankly, it’s not the lack of experience or his association with right-wing media that should worry people the most – it’s his clear love for war, war crimes, and war criminals. 

With apologies to Donald Rumsfeld, he may be about to become the most extreme defense secretary in American history. 

Watch the short video above to see Mehdi unpack six of Hegseth’s insanely war-mongering views and ideas, all of which are bound to break Trump’s ridiculous promise to bringing lasting peace – to the Middle East, or anywhere else!







They're all so awful that Kristi Noem -- the Michael Vick of politics -- might pass for the normal one.


Tulsi's a cult member and she's a security risk see Betty's "Cult member Tulsi Gabbard cannot be trusted with national intelligence."


Here are some discussions taking place.






If Trump installs the unqualified Tulsi as DNI and there's a terrorist attack that she fails to protect the country from, that's on him.  She is not qualified and there are too many issues that go to the fact that the American people can't trust her.  We don't need members of any cult serving in our government. 


An e-mail to the public account states that I am trying to rush people into action.  I'm not trying to do any such thing.  With one exception and I'll get to that.

The writers is Black and a lesbian so she's targeted by Donald on three levels (race, sexuality and gender).  I'm not telling anyone to "suck it up" as the writer states and "You don't feel you have anything to lose."

Let's start with that last part.  Friday was not a good day last week but I made it through.  At the end of the day, I was headed home with a friend and realized I needed to stop and grab some artificial tears. I'd had shots in one eye and the other got cauterize -- I've never had that before, it hurt like hell and it seemed to never end -- it was like a strobe light that repeatedly went off, then I'd have a blink a few times, hold my eye open again and the process repeated over and over. So I go in and I always try to be nice to people.  And people coming up on one side of me, got nice.  Yeah, I'd do selfie, yeah, I'd sign something for them.  On the other side?  I had no peripheral vision on that side.  And I was spooked over and over and about the seventh time, I just wanted to get out.  

So, yeah, I know what it's like to be scared and were it not for Satan being voted back into the White House, I don't think I would have been as bothered.  But there, in my city that went for Kamala by a huge margin, with impaired vision, I was bothered and scared.

So I think we all know what it's like to be scared.  

I was kidnapped and raped as a child.  The only way I survived that was by focusing on getting out.  And that's what I do in life. If it gets too dramatic, I go cold and go into planning mode.  Don't deny it, never have.  

Another tale, I didn't deal with my mother's death until seven years after.  I wanted to initially but then everyone else was falling apart and I had to hold it together to make sure every funeral request came off and that warring family members didn't act out.  And I was successful on the latter except for one family member who showed up stoned and then began to sob loudly throughout the ceremony and then, of course, skipped out.  "It's so hard on _____," I had to hear from one relative after another.  And, yes, I was pissed.  It was my mother and I loved her and the drama queen who didn't even make it to the burial?  If she was crying for any reason, it was guilt.  She'd stabbed my mother in the back and they hadn't spoken in seven years.  But I just had to nod along with these idiots and get through the day because my mother loathed a scene (which is probably the main reason _____ put on such drama).

So my natural mode is to move forward.  For me.  I didn't expect that from anyone else in the family and, to those I was close to, I encouraged them to grieve and feel what they were feeling.


We were stabbed in the back by racists.  Some of those racists are on the left.  

We're always asked -- excuse me, we're always expected to turn out and we do in election after election and then one of us has the presidential nomination and she's attacked over and over and over -- on the left.  By Gaza Freaks and Jill Stein nuts.  And by DEMOCRACY NOW!, THE NATION, IN THESE TIMES, THE PROGRESSIVE, and many, many more.

Their actions depressed turnout -- bad enough.  It also trashed those of us excited to see someone like us with a chance of becoming president.

We were spat and we were stomped on.

I don't expect anyone to ever get over that.

And those who need to check out, do so.  Take care of you.  THE NATION, DEMOCRACY NOW!, Jill Stein, Gaza Freaks, IN THESE TIMES and THE PROGRESSIVE sure didn't worry about taking care of us.

So you take all the time you need.  If that's a month, if that's four years, if that's longer, you take it.  In fact, you don't ever have to come back to giving your free labor to the Democratic Party.  Whatever you want, I am fine with.

I get it, in the 21st century we saw racism win and it didn't win just because of the right wing, the left helped it a lot.

And that's why --

Let me get to the one thing I'm asking.



What I'm asking is that we leave Twitter.  (See Marcia's "Death to Twitter.")  Jamie Lee Curtis is.  Applause to her.  I mean that sincerely.  But I'm saying that those of us hit the hardest leave Twitter.  Danielle's transferring to BLUESKY and others are going to THREADS or elsewhere.  Musk is a racist who was born under apartheid and only left South Africa as apartheid was crumbling and he'd have to deal with Black people as free people.  That scared him.  

Jamie Lee's leaving and, again, applause for her.  But notice who isn't leaving? Racist Katrina vanden Heuvel who used her magazine to rip apart Kamala every day.  She's upset that people are calling her a a racist and noted her grandfather's long history of racism that enriched the family.  That bothers her.

Supporting Elon Musk by using Twitter doesn't bother racist Katrina.  She, in fact, embraces racism and the only thing that bothers her about racism is when people notice how racist 'left' Katrina really is. 

All I'm asking is for you please leave Twitter.  I'm asking you to reject racism.  Black women can and are doing that.  They're not the only ones.  Again, Jamie Lee Curtis, thank you.  Her decision is based on her child Ruby who is now a target in a Trump administration but she's doing it to show her support for equality across the board.  I thank her for that.  

But Katrina vanden Heuvel, a 'leftist' who owns THE NATION and presents herself as the last word in NYC lefties?  She isn't leaving Twitter.  She's a racist.  She doesn't care about Black people.  That's why she lives on the money her grandfather stole from Black artists and it's why her White ass lives in a Harlem mansion.  She is no friend to Black people.

Trump is on a drive to destroy our country and, watch closely, we see what happened in the election as White 'leftists' are too concerned about their social media stature to do the right thing and leave Twitter.

I was shocked Saturday night to learn that Alyssa Milano had not left Twitter.  I was doing that post and typed hold on while I went to check.  She loathes Elon.  She made such a big deal about getting rid of her Tesla.  But she didn't get off Twitter.  Under Elon, it is the home of racism, misogyny and homophobia.  

But that doesn't bother her.  She self-presents as a social justice warrior but the reality is that she won't stand with Black people.  Or LGBTQ+ people.  Or women.  It's more important to her that she be on Twitter than that she take a real stand. 


Let's wind down with Roland.




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